Nahum 1:5-6 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
WAS GOD A VOLCANO? YES! GOD - ALLAH WAS A VOLCANO-VOLCANIC ACTIVITY!!!
Monday, August 20, 2012
Saturday, August 18, 2012
Muslim Destruction of Idol Worship in Europe
I've just been banned from the Mumsnet forum, a place I had believed would put the welfare of our future generations before the sensitivities of people who believe objects can move on their own or who revere a murdering terrorist who had sex with a nine year old. Clearly, there are limits to the amount Mumsnet cares about children, or maybe they just received too many 'recommendations' from muslims and their dhimmies.
I shall now explain what I believe was the final straw for Mumsnet.
I came across this video, about the threat of the destruction of 'idol worship' in Europe and posted it to Mumsnet.
I thought it was important people started to discuss the possibility this man's aims and desires will be fullfilled. Muslims have and do destroy objects of idolotry. Who could possibly argue with that? Well, plenty of people can on Mumsnet where speaking the truth is not acceptable. The Taliban destroyed the Buddhas in Afghanistan not that long ago, something a muslim defended on Mumsnet claiming the Taliban was just wanting money to be diverted from tourism to healthcare. Apparently the less things of interest in the world, the more money will be spent on the things people actually need to survive. That is, of course, an admirable albeit bland idea but not one put into practice by muslims who seem to want to throw all their money at gold plated mosques on every street corner. The first muslim to wipe the slate clean was Mohammad himself when he 'cleansed' the Kabba of the 360 idol worship statues and trinkets. He, of course, didn't start this monotheistic idea: the Jews not only destroyed idolotrous objects but also their associated priests. Monotheism, of course, just means 'my way or the highway' and the Abrahamic religions have been the thugs of faith. The destruction of evidence of previous religions, which is what this is, is a sign of a jealous and suspicious mentality.
It was the very first man of the Abrahamic religions who got smashy smashy about statues. This article not only talks about Abraham smashing up his father's 'idols' but also about Abraham supposedly getting chucked into what was obviously a volcano. A rather fitting piece.
I would so love to be alive to see the faces of the likes of the sex-starved rag head in the video above when it dawns on them that their idol is a volcano. Kind of dampens the passion somewhat doesn't it? Will they then go smashing up all volcanoes or will they alll start collections of miniature volcanoes, all lined up on their mantlepieces? Tough choice.
As 45% of Brussels, the capital of Europe, is now muslim, and as half of all births in Belgium are now muslim, I think there is a good chance that iconic landmarks of Belgium are on shaky ground, just as are the Pyramids of Egypt with their new Islamist government.
Mumsnet.....welcome to the list on the right where you will stay until this theory does go viral and the world can see who delayed its exposure. p.s. did you not notice the woman who was defending the Taliban's destruction of the Buddhas? You deleted me but kept her? Mumsnet.....for baby's dummies and foolish dhimmies.
I shall now explain what I believe was the final straw for Mumsnet.
I came across this video, about the threat of the destruction of 'idol worship' in Europe and posted it to Mumsnet.
I thought it was important people started to discuss the possibility this man's aims and desires will be fullfilled. Muslims have and do destroy objects of idolotry. Who could possibly argue with that? Well, plenty of people can on Mumsnet where speaking the truth is not acceptable. The Taliban destroyed the Buddhas in Afghanistan not that long ago, something a muslim defended on Mumsnet claiming the Taliban was just wanting money to be diverted from tourism to healthcare. Apparently the less things of interest in the world, the more money will be spent on the things people actually need to survive. That is, of course, an admirable albeit bland idea but not one put into practice by muslims who seem to want to throw all their money at gold plated mosques on every street corner. The first muslim to wipe the slate clean was Mohammad himself when he 'cleansed' the Kabba of the 360 idol worship statues and trinkets. He, of course, didn't start this monotheistic idea: the Jews not only destroyed idolotrous objects but also their associated priests. Monotheism, of course, just means 'my way or the highway' and the Abrahamic religions have been the thugs of faith. The destruction of evidence of previous religions, which is what this is, is a sign of a jealous and suspicious mentality.
Bamiyan Buddhas of Afghanistan, destroyed by muslims emulating their prophet,
which are now monuments to the weak Islamic mindset and will be visited by future
generations who will learn valuable life lessons from it.
which are now monuments to the weak Islamic mindset and will be visited by future
generations who will learn valuable life lessons from it.
It was the very first man of the Abrahamic religions who got smashy smashy about statues. This article not only talks about Abraham smashing up his father's 'idols' but also about Abraham supposedly getting chucked into what was obviously a volcano. A rather fitting piece.
I would so love to be alive to see the faces of the likes of the sex-starved rag head in the video above when it dawns on them that their idol is a volcano. Kind of dampens the passion somewhat doesn't it? Will they then go smashing up all volcanoes or will they alll start collections of miniature volcanoes, all lined up on their mantlepieces? Tough choice.
As 45% of Brussels, the capital of Europe, is now muslim, and as half of all births in Belgium are now muslim, I think there is a good chance that iconic landmarks of Belgium are on shaky ground, just as are the Pyramids of Egypt with their new Islamist government.
Mumsnet.....welcome to the list on the right where you will stay until this theory does go viral and the world can see who delayed its exposure. p.s. did you not notice the woman who was defending the Taliban's destruction of the Buddhas? You deleted me but kept her? Mumsnet.....for baby's dummies and foolish dhimmies.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Mount Sinai Photos
MOUNT SINAI
Mount Sinai, the 'mountain of fire' and 'mountain of god' mentioned in the Bible as depicted by cartoonists and artists who mostly seem blissfully unaware of what the numerous Bibilical verses have led them to recreate.
GOD WAS A VOLCANO? HE SURE WAS....CLICK HERE.
GOD WAS A VOLCANO? HE SURE WAS....CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Deuteronomy 5:4 The LORD spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain.
I AM WORSHIPPING A VOLCANO GOD? YES, YOU SURE ARE....CLICK HERE.
I AM WORSHIPPING A VOLCANO GOD? YES, YOU SURE ARE....CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 34:29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 32:11 Then Moses pleaded with the Lord his God, and said: “Lord, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians speak, and say, ‘He brought them out to harm them, to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth’? Turn from Your fierce wrath, and relent from this harm to Your people.
IS CHRISTIANITY AS 'PAGAN' AS ALL THE PAGAN RELIGIONS IT WIPED OUT?
YES, CLICK HERE.
IS CHRISTIANITY AS 'PAGAN' AS ALL THE PAGAN RELIGIONS IT WIPED OUT?
YES, CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 20:11 So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 19 1.On the first day of the third month after the Israelites left Egypt —on that very day—they came to the Desert of Sinai. 2 After they set out from Rephidim, they entered the Desert of Sinai, and Israel camped there in the desert in front of the mountain.
MOUNT SINAI
Deuteronomy 32:2 He said: "The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.
ARE CHURCHES, MOSQUES AND PYRAMIDS SHAPED LIKED VOLCANOES BECAUSE THE ORIGINS OF THE RELIGIONS WERE VOLCANIC?
YES, CLICK HERE.
ARE CHURCHES, MOSQUES AND PYRAMIDS SHAPED LIKED VOLCANOES BECAUSE THE ORIGINS OF THE RELIGIONS WERE VOLCANIC?
YES, CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 20:18 Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 19:12 You shall set bounds for the people all around, saying, ‘Take heed to yourselves that you do not go up to the mountain or touch its base. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death. 13 Not a hand shall touch him, but he shall surely be stoned or shot with an arrow; whether man or beast, he shall not live.’ When the trumpet sounds long, they shall come near the mountain.”
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 19:16 Then it came to pass on the third day, in the morning, that there were thunderings and lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain; and the sound of the trumpet was very loud, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled. 17 The sight of the glory of the Lord was like a consuming fire on the top of the mountain in the eyes of the children of Israel. 18 So Moses went into the midst of the cloud and went up into the mountain.
IS THERE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR GOD AND THE GOD OF
ALL OTHER VOLCANO CULTS?
YES THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, CLICK HERE.
IS THERE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR GOD AND THE GOD OF
ALL OTHER VOLCANO CULTS?
YES THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 24 15 Then Moses went up into the mountain, and a cloud covered the mountain.
16 Now the glory of the Lord rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day He called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
IS ALL THE GOD COMMENTARY IN THE BIBLE MADE UP?
YES, CLICK HERE.
IS ALL THE GOD COMMENTARY IN THE BIBLE MADE UP?
YES, CLICK HERE.
MOUNT SINAI
Exodus 19:17 And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. 18 Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire. Its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain[a] quaked greatly.
Now contrast the Biblical verses above that led the artists to create the volcanic imagery with the Open Bible's list of verses. Nothing volcanic whatsoever. That is what you call religiously ordained deception.
Now please see this list of Biblical verses that suggest the god of the ancient Hebrews, and therefore the Abrahamic religions, was nothing other than anthropomorphised volcanic activity.
Please let me know if you know of any other images of Mount Sinai that reveal its volcanic characteristics.
Please leave a comment here to let me know what you think to this post.
Monday, August 6, 2012
Why are volcanoes not mentioned in the Bible?
Below is a part of a thread posed by someone wanting to know why volcanoes are not mentioned in the Bible.
Inthe Bible we have Floods, Storms, Earthquakes, Winds, etc. All being some part of a punishment from God. But volcano's are not mentioned as even existing, yet they have caused much damage
in history, and even in recent times we see volcano's coming alive.
Can anyone tell me wherethe word Volcano appears in the Bible.
If i remember right:The word volcano was first used by the Romans as the god of fire, vulcano.......it's not in the bible.
Ok, then that's good enough for me. Thank you Chaplain Eldermike.
So, despite him at first pointing out that everything else is mentioned in the Bible so volcanoes should also be there......he comforts himself with the answer.....they're not mentioned in the Bible.
So easily placated. Like putting a dummy into a baby. Your moment of enlightenment is over. Now back to la la land.
In
in history, and even in recent times we see volcano's coming alive.
Can anyone tell me where
If i remember right:
Ok, then that's good enough for me. Thank you Chaplain Eldermike.
So, despite him at first pointing out that everything else is mentioned in the Bible so volcanoes should also be there......he comforts himself with the answer.....they're not mentioned in the Bible.
So easily placated. Like putting a dummy into a baby. Your moment of enlightenment is over. Now back to la la land.
Sunday, August 5, 2012
Hinduism = volcano worship too?
Hello Redditers. God being a volcano is no longer a priority project of mine. White genocide is. Please see this post and pass it on.....
http://muslimghettos.blogspot.com/2014/12/white-genocide-jewish-plot.html
This article proves three things........that there are still people who believe chucking a chicken into a volcano will stop it erupting, that Hinduism includes volcano appeasement (worship?) and that there's always money to be thrown away and people to grab it in religion.
Saturday, August 4, 2012
Femme de la Rue
Femme de la Rue is a short film (now deleted from youtube...see below) produced by a Belgian woman due to her experiences of sexual harassment by 'foreign' men, foreign obviously being a politically correct way of avoiding the use of the word 'muslim'. I know only too well what these woman speak of. Finally, women are speaking out....but, I fear, it's too late. The Belgians produce too few babies and the muslims produce too many. Westernised women will find it increasingly difficult to find areas to live in free of this hostility, hence the main reason for this blog, which is about the theory that Yahweh, the god of the ancient Hebrews, was nothing other than anthropomorphised VOLCANIC ACTIVITY. Please see this list.
Sorry but the video has been removed by the author. Has she been threatened? Here it is elsewhere....
In its place....number one on Youtube for 'femme de la rue' is now this video, made by someone from Sharia4Belgium. I don't speak Arabic but I suspect this video is not aimed at educating the muslims of Brussels on how to treat the infidel women with respect.
If anyone knows why the first videos were cleansed from Youtube then please do let me know.
Friday, August 3, 2012
Red Sea Volcanic Activity
Quote below on the Red Sea volcanic activity taken from here...
The Red Sea was formed by Arabia splitting from Africa due to movement of the Red Sea Rift. This split started in the Eocene and accelerated during the Oligocene. The sea is still widening and it is considered that the sea will become an ocean in time (as proposed in the model of John Tuzo Wilson). In 1949, a deep water survey reported anomalously hot brines in the central portion of the Red Sea. Later work in the 1960s confirmed the presence of hot, 60 °C (140 °F), saline brines and associated metalliferous muds. The hot solutions were emanating from an active subseafloor rift. The highly saline character of the waters was not hospitable to living organisms.[15]
Sometimes during the Tertiary period the Bab el Mandeb closed and the Red Sea evaporated to an empty hot dry salt-floored sink. Effects causing this would be:
•A "race" between the Red Sea widening and Perim Island erupting filling the Bab el Mandeb with lava.
•The lowering of world sea level during the Ice Ages due to much water being locked up in the ice caps.
A number of volcanic islands rise from the center of the sea. Most are dormant, but in 2007 Jabal al-Tair island, in the Bab el Mandeb strait, erupted violently. An eruption among the nearby Zubair islands followed in 2011.[16]
Mythical Monsters
Please see my earlier posts on one 'mythical monster', the Leviathan, which I believe was zoomorphised submarine volcanic activity.
I believe the Leviathan is a very distinct creature of the Bible and different to the usual 'sea monster', which I believe was a Nile crocodile. The Leviathan had many characteristics that do not fit a crocodile or any other animal.
If the ancient Hebrews had a specific name for their underwater volcano monster, other civilisations will also have named their respective volcano monsters.....and maybe the fear and zoomophism of them was something everyone in the volcanic Holy Land had in common. Maybe the stories of them started in one civilisation and were passed down into another.
One sea monster, which is described as mythological when it might in fact be fabled, is the Lernaean Hydra.
Here is a depiction of Lernaean Hydra...
and a depiction of the Leviathan....
From this...
From this...
Next!
CHIMERA
From here...
Next!
TYPHON
From this...
So, there seems to be a whole family of volcano monsters that instead of being described as myths should be described as fables because there is truth behind the tale...or should I say tail? And these are just the Hebrew one and the Greek ones. Apparently there is an Ethiopian one too...another day.
PLEASE NOW READ MY EARLIER POST ON THE LEVIATHAN.
I believe the Leviathan is a very distinct creature of the Bible and different to the usual 'sea monster', which I believe was a Nile crocodile. The Leviathan had many characteristics that do not fit a crocodile or any other animal.
If the ancient Hebrews had a specific name for their underwater volcano monster, other civilisations will also have named their respective volcano monsters.....and maybe the fear and zoomophism of them was something everyone in the volcanic Holy Land had in common. Maybe the stories of them started in one civilisation and were passed down into another.
One sea monster, which is described as mythological when it might in fact be fabled, is the Lernaean Hydra.
Here is a depiction of Lernaean Hydra...
and a depiction of the Leviathan....
Hydra...
serpent-like chthonic water beast, with reptilian traits, (as its name evinces) that possessed many heads — the poets mention more heads than the vase-painters could paint, and for each head cut off it grew two more — and poisonous breath so virulent even her tracks were deadly. Upon reaching the swamp near Lake Lerna, where the Hydra dwelt, Heracles covered his mouth and nose with a cloth to protect himself from the poisonous fumes. He fired flaming arrows into the Hydra's lair, the spring of Amymone, a deep cave that it only came out of to terrorize neighboring villages. the stench of the river Anigrus in Elis, making all the fish of the river inedible, was reputed to be due to the Hydra's poison.
It ravaged the country of Lernae near Argos, and dwelt in a swamp near the well of Amymone. However, with the assistance of his faithful servant Iolaus, he burned away the heads of the hydra, and buried the ninth or immortal one under a huge rock.
Statius, Thebaid 2. 375 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) :
"The marsh of Lerna and the burnt Hydra’s heat makes warm the depths of those unrighteous waters."
From this...
The Hydra had the body of a serpent and many heads (the number of heads deviates from five up to one hundred there are many versions but generally nine is accepted as standard), of which one could never be harmed by any weapon. Also the stench from the Hydra's breath was enough to kill man or beast. When it emerged from the swamp it would attack herds of cattle and local villagers, devouring them with its numerous heads. It totally terrorized the vicinity for many years.That's enough of Hydra for now but I hope you can see the traits of an underwater gas leaking volcano. The herds were attacked by gas leaks, which is very reminiscent of the first born deaths in Exodus and the deaths in Job. The inability to kill it with weapons also aligns it with the Leviathan.
Next!
CHIMERA
From here...
CHIMAERA (Chimaira), a fire-breathing monster, which, according to the Homeric poems, was of divine origin. She was brought up by Amisodarus, king of Caria, and afterwards made great havoc in all the country around and among men. The origin of the notion of this fire-breathing monster must probably be sought for in the volcano of the name of Chimaera near Phaselis, in Lycia (Plin. H. N. ii. 106, v. 27; Mela. i. 15), or in the volcanic valley near the Cragus (Strab. xiv. p. 665, &c.), which is described as the scene of the events connected with the Chimaera.Please see the link above for many examples of how ancient people used many animal names to describe just one nameless 'monster'...something they simply didn't recognise.
Ngauruhoe, Tongariro, White Island and the Fire Demons
The volcanoes Ngauruhoe, Tongariro and White Island are present in a Maori legend. A medicine man named Ngatoro was climbing up Tongariro with a woman named Auruhoe. He told his followers not to eat while he was gone in order to give him strength on top of the cold mountain. When Ngatoro didn't return for some time, his followers thought him to be dead, and they broke their fast. Ngatoro and Auruhoe immediately began to feel the cold, and Ngatoro prayed to his sisters in the faraway land of Hawaiki. The sisters called upon fire demons that began swimming underwater toward Ngatoro. They first came out of the water at White Island to see where they were, and the land burst into flames that are still burning. The demons continued on underwater until they reached Ngatoro and burst through the summit of the mountain, thus creating the volcano Ngauruhoe. Ngatoro was saved by the warmth, but Auruhoe had already died. Ngatoro then took Auruhoe's body and threw it into the volcano. The underwater path of the fire demons can still be seen, for everywhere they surfaced is now a thermal area (Vitaliano, 1973).
Next!
TYPHON
From this...
TYPHON (TYPHAON, TYPHOEUS), in Greek mythology, youngest son of Gaea and Tartarus. He is described as a grisly monster with a hundred dragons' heads, who was conquered and cast into Tartarus by Zeus. In other accounts, he is confined in the land of the Arimi in Cilicia (Iliad, ii. 783) or under Etna (Aeschylus, P.V. 370) or in other volcanic regions, where he is the cause of eruptions. Typhon is thus the personification of volcanic forces. Amongst his children by Echidna are Cerberus, the Lernaean hydra, and the Chimaera.From this...
As a volcano-daimon, Typhoeus hurled red-hot rocks at the sky and storms of fire boiled from his mouth.From this...
Typhon had frightful features and enormous powers. Soon, he attacked the home of the gods, flaming rocks at it, hissing, screaming and gushing mighty streams of fire from his mouth.
So, there seems to be a whole family of volcano monsters that instead of being described as myths should be described as fables because there is truth behind the tale...or should I say tail? And these are just the Hebrew one and the Greek ones. Apparently there is an Ethiopian one too...another day.
When the Leviathan is hungry, reports R. Dimi in the name of R. Johanan, he sends forth from his mouth a heat so great as to make all the waters of the deep boil, and if he would put his head into Paradise no living creature could endure the odor of him (ib.). His abode is the Mediterranean Sea; and the waters of the Jordan fall into his mouth (Bek. 55b; B. B. l.c.).
One thing is for sure, these monsters had breath that could kill.
PLEASE NOW READ MY EARLIER POST ON THE LEVIATHAN.
Thursday, August 2, 2012
Kolumbo = Leviathan ?
Could the story of the Leviathan have originated from Kolumbo, which is a submarine volcano near to Santorini?
Kolumbo is an active submarine volcano in the Aegean Sea, about 8 km northeast of Cape Kolumbo, Santorini island. The largest of a line of about twenty submarine volcanic cones extending to the northeast from Santorini,[1] it is about 3 km in diameter with a crater 1.5 km across.[2] It was "discovered" when it breached the sea surface in 1649-50, but its explosion was not to be compared to the well-known Thera explosion and caldera collapse, currently dated ca. 1630 BCE, with its devastating consequences for Minoan civilization.
conservative scholars cite Eusebius (AD 263-399), who placed Job "two ages before Moses" or 2,000-1,500 BC.[14
The 1650 eruption was a very explosive event and ejected pumice and ash as far as Turkey, and produced pyroclastic flows that killed about 70 people on Santorini. During the eruption, it constructed a temporary island (hence it's name Kolumbo, in Greece "swimming"). A tsunami occurred as well, probably during the collapse of the cone. It caused damage on nearby islands up to 150 km and invaded the flat coastal areas especially on the eastern side of Santorini, where ruins from Roman times were uncovered. The eruption also caused damage killed a great number of livestock because of poisonous gasses, mainly H2S.
7000 sheep burned up by 'The fire of God which fell from the sky. and the house of the firstborn destroyed by a mighty wind, killing all of Job's offspring. Satan, therefore, smites him with dreadful boils, and Job, seated in ashes, scrapes his skin with broken pottery.
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Could the Book of Job, or at least some of it, be based on the lives of Santorini volcano worshippers prior to them fleeing as refugees to Egypt? Could the idea of the saviour and adversary be based on a land volcano (the one they gave burnt offerings to) and a submarine volcano (the one they threw spears at to no avail)?
Kolumbo is an active submarine volcano in the Aegean Sea, about 8 km northeast of Cape Kolumbo, Santorini island. The largest of a line of about twenty submarine volcanic cones extending to the northeast from Santorini,[1] it is about 3 km in diameter with a crater 1.5 km across.[2] It was "discovered" when it breached the sea surface in 1649-50, but its explosion was not to be compared to the well-known Thera explosion and caldera collapse, currently dated ca. 1630 BCE, with its devastating consequences for Minoan civilization.
conservative scholars cite Eusebius (AD 263-399), who placed Job "two ages before Moses" or 2,000-1,500 BC.[14
The 1650 eruption was a very explosive event and ejected pumice and ash as far as Turkey, and produced pyroclastic flows that killed about 70 people on Santorini. During the eruption, it constructed a temporary island (hence it's name Kolumbo, in Greece "swimming"). A tsunami occurred as well, probably during the collapse of the cone. It caused damage on nearby islands up to 150 km and invaded the flat coastal areas especially on the eastern side of Santorini, where ruins from Roman times were uncovered. The eruption also caused damage killed a great number of livestock because of poisonous gasses, mainly H2S.
7000 sheep burned up by 'The fire of God which fell from the sky. and the house of the firstborn destroyed by a mighty wind, killing all of Job's offspring. Satan, therefore, smites him with dreadful boils, and Job, seated in ashes, scrapes his skin with broken pottery.
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Could the Book of Job, or at least some of it, be based on the lives of Santorini volcano worshippers prior to them fleeing as refugees to Egypt? Could the idea of the saviour and adversary be based on a land volcano (the one they gave burnt offerings to) and a submarine volcano (the one they threw spears at to no avail)?
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