Thursday, October 18, 2012

The Latest on the Leviathan

I've decided to try to get the expert community to take a look at my Leviathan theory. I have updated the post, which you can find here.

Plus this thread is a good example of how people who call themselves Christians debate such topics....

This is what one Christian said about my theory on first seeing it....

I think your premise is quite plausible.

and on discovering I was an atheist....

I think any insistence of a fable interpretation, or a “mistaken identity”, is problematic. we are reducing God’s word (IMO) to a collection of histories inspired by men, not of God. This is the consequence of such an interpretation of Leviathan as a mistaken identity. If the Bible is to be understood as God breathed, then such mistaken identities cannot exist. Leviathan can be considered symbolic, anthropomorphic or literal; but a mistaken identity should be ruled out.

and after the debate became a school playground....

if you want to try and convince me that my faith is on par with paganism, then I am not interested in even a conversation. Sorry, but I am not here for that reason, and I don't think that such discussions will profit either one of us.
So, at first, he could see the validity in the theory. Then, when he realised the implications, he backed out. He clearly states that anything that threatens his faith is not a subject of discussion for him, although he will happily try to make me become as deluded as he. He clearly needs to realise what anthropomorphism, (which he admits occurs throughout the Bible) means because it mostly occurred due to mistaken identity and not through choice. He even admits that angels was anthropomorphised fire.

Stuck like glue.

Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Banned from Richard Dawkins

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.' Richard Dawkins.
Yes, I've been banned from the Richard Dawkins discussion forum. I think I started off on the wrong foot, long before posting any comments, when I emailed the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science. I never got a reply to my emails regarding the volcano theory, which was probably rejected outright without any thought, given it requires something most atheists are simply not prepared to do....use the Bible to decode the Bible. Nope, that is way too extreme for atheists. What a silly suggestion! It was all a (very weird and boring) fairytale and be prepared to be silenced if you dare say otherwise.

I also gradually submitted maybe three or four discussions and waited to see if they would get accepted. I thought they were well written and interesting, but all were clearly rejected in favour of very infrequent and very mundane subjects such as a request for advice on raising a baby with or without religion. Dumbed down discussions or what?!

In discussions on god on his discussion page, any mention of 'volcano' by me was deleted and I got a warning. It's not easy to speak in the same way about Gawd when you know what he was! You can never go back to doing the aimless chat; it all naturally becomes very direct. Obviously, direct purposeful discussion is not wanted amongst atheists whereas lots of boasting and mocking is. So my tongue was tied completely, which was of course what happened to atheists not so long ago under Christian rule. Luckily for me, there is no death penalty for speaking out of line with the foot soldiers of whatever faction you are trying to enlighten!

The best known atheist, or one of his minions, cannot stomach the possibility someone knows something he doesn't. I had a lot of respect for him prior to my voice being silenced but now I think he or his 'vetting system' must be a bit of an arrogant blockhead. If he, or his minions, have not thought of it already, it gets mocked and binned....and its messenger banned.

Try mentioning anything that does not have a great big 'SCIENTIST CERTIFIED' stamped on its head and you can expect to be mocked, ignored and rounded on by the pretentious little worms who obviously spend all day on there trying to attract the attention of their hero by using the word, 'scientific' at least three times in every sentence. It seems the aim of the forum is to be as obnoxious as possible to anyone who dares suggest anything even slightly 'leftfield' and to come across as more a geeky chemist in a white coat than a humanist. Again, that mentality can be compared very neatly with the Witch Hunts of days gone by. However, that fact will alude them or at least cause them cognitive dissonance.....'Oh Gawd, we are just like the people who burnt witches! No, we're not....we're amazing! Yes we we're not!'. Yes you are.

Needless to say, I said 'blockhead' in a comment due to the horrendous blockhead mentality going on and BANG...I'm done for. Well, they didn't quibble over that decision did they?

The Richard Dawkins discussion page can at best be described as a very slowly changing and heavily vetted notice board of trivial points argued over by willfully ignorant meatheads with absolutely nothing challenging, novel fact...debatable. It seems a debate is exactly what is not wanted on there. They've made their minds up and do not want to be bothered with the facts.

And I'm not alone in being dismayed at the lack of logic and reason afforded me by the RD Faction. Here is someone else who was nipped in the bud of challenging debate...

Now how much knowledge Dawkins himself may have of this censorship can of course hardly be determined by an outsider. Yet this is Dawkins’ official site. This quite despicably irrational activity is read more.

There seems to be a pattern appearing. You would have thought atheist websites or organisations would be very keen to hear from atheists who believed they had worked out part of the puzzle. Unfortunately, that is exactly the opposite to the reality faced by people like me. I you have something new to say to atheists they will hate you because they get a lot of self esteem from their badge and do not want their badge being demoted due to not being 'in the know'. They'd rather remain out of the know than to give someone a public platform and risk becoming yesterday's news. How pathetic! Maybe when I find a non-profit making website I will find the reception becomes better. After all, how many books would Richard sell if Gawd was exposed? How many hits to the Flying Spagetti Monster's sight would there be once the puzzle is solved? How many members of the various religious forums would sit arguing aimlessly for hours and hours with nothing new to say if the argument was resolved? Not a lot and the money would dry up faster than a river of water after a volcano induced tsumani. So far, the only atheists who have been keen to hear my ideas have been ex-Christians and they have, on the whole, believed in them too.

There aren't a great deal of honest critical thinkers in this world are there? Lots of people who claim they are but in fact they don't look at all the ideas, they don't assess them with open minds and they are certainly not prepared to alter their beliefs. Perish the thought! Anything but that! An Islamic take-over would be better but please please don't ask me to change my mind!

Richard Dawkins, and your minions, welcome to the dunce's list.....'Enemies of Free Speech'....which is what your organisation has been from the moment I contacted it one year ago! You may well go down in history as the man who claimed to want to bring 'Reason and Science' to the masses but who failed to be reasonable with other people trying to do the same.

Here is a copy of my first every message to you....which went did all the others....due to your blind faith in the total inaccuracy of the Bible causing you to discourage rational enquiry....


Please forward this message to Richard Dawkins.

I believe Yahweh was volcanic activity. The Santorini volcanic eruption, dated around 1500BC, set off a change of natural events that affected the Jordan Rift Valley, a siesmic area where techtonic plates overlap. The Hebrews left Eqypt during the ensuing catastrophes (all ten plagues can be explained due to natural reactions after a volcano/plate shift).Mt Sinai was not in the Sinai Peninsular but in Saudi Arabia and the Hebrews travelled up the rift through Jordan and into Israel.

Here are some Bible verses that indicate god was just volcanoes, or lived inside volcanoes.....

Isaiah 30:27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire.
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One a flame; in a single day it will burn and consume his thorns and his briers.
Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?"
Isaiah 66:15 See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, circumcise your hearts, you men of Judah and people of Jerusalem, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done--burn with no one to quench it.
Ezekiel 22:31 So I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger, bringing down on their own heads all they have done, declares the Sovereign LORD."
Daniel 7:10 A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.
Lamentations 4:11 The LORD has given full vent to his wrath; he has poured out his fierce anger. He kindled a fire in Zion that consumed her foundations.
Ezekiel 7:8 I am about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you; I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.
Exodus 3:12 And God said, "I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain."
Isaiah 29:6 the LORD Almighty will come with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire.
Revelation 11:19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
Exodus 19:16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.
2 Samuel 22:10 He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet.
Psalm 104:3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.
Jeremiah 4:13 Look! He advances like the clouds, his chariots come like a whirlwind, his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us! We are ruined!
The blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords: who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power eternal. Amen" (1 Timothy 6:16, R.V.). (dwelling in light unapproachable)
"For ask now of the days that are past ... whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is? ... Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live? Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by trials (R.V. margin), by signs, and by wonders ... according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?" (Deuteronomy 4:32-34). (speaking out of the midst of the fire)
Exodus 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. 12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. 13 there shall not a hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live. 16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, Rev. 4.5 and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. 18 And mount Si'nai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: Deut. 4.11, 12 and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

PSA 18:8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
ISA 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
Isaiah: 5:26 And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly.
Revelations: 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Exodus: 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
•Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death – the lake of fire.
Matthew 13:42 Jesus Christ said the lost will finally be cast “into a furnace of fire.”
Matthew 3:12 John the Baptist said the lost will end up in “unquenchable fire.”

Numbers 16:35 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.
1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
Genesis 15:17And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. Leviticus 9:24And there came a fire out from before the LORD, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces. 1 Chronicles 21:26And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering. 2 Chronicles 7:1Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house.
Hebrews 12:29 for our "God is a consuming fire."
Exodus 15:7 In the greatness of your majesty you threw down those who opposed you. You unleashed your burning anger; it consumed them like stubble.
Exodus 24:17 To the Israelites the glory of the LORD looked like a consuming fire on top of the mountain.
2 Samuel 22:9 Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.
Psalm 97:3 Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side.
Jeremiah 25:37 The peaceful meadows will be laid waste because of the fierce anger of the LORD.
Hebrews 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Hebrews 10:31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
2 Peter 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Daniel 7:9 "As I looked, "thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
Numbers 16:34 At their cries, all the Israelites around them fled, shouting, "The earth is going to swallow us too!"
Numbers 16.35 And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the 250 men who were offering the incense.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
Leviticus 10:2 So fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD.
Numbers 11:1 Now the people complained about their hardships in the hearing of the LORD, and when he heard them his anger was aroused. Then fire from the LORD burned among them and consumed some of the outskirts of the camp.
Numbers 26:10 The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them along with Korah, whose followers died when the fire devoured the 250 men. And they served as a warning sign.
Psalm 50:3 Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages.

Richard, I read that you, like me, feel instilling fear of hell into children is a form of abuse. Please go ahead and put your money where your mouth is and tell people there is no hell and that the lake of fire was, of course, a blazing volcano caldera. Let's see how much you really care about children.